Comments on: Turkmen Identity in Iran http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:06:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: karakum http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-251 karakum Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:09:25 +0000 http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-251 Ata Dzhikiev (1961) - Turkmeny iugo-vostochnogo poberezhia Kaspiiskogo moria: istoriko-?tnograficheskii ocherk Khommat Ataev (1970) - Osvoboditel'noe dvizhenie turkmen v Irane (1917-1925 gg.) William Irons (1975) - The Yomut Turkmen: A Study of Social Organisation among a Central Asian Turkic-Speaking Population Bibi-Rabiga Logashova (1976) - Turkmeny Irana : istoriko-?tnograficheskoe issledovanie Mukhammed Aidogdyev (1992) - Turkmeny Irana v 60-70-e gg. XX veka Also: Turkmeny mira: istoriko-demograficheskii obzor (1991; Marat Durdyev, Shokhrat Kadyrov) Turkmeny zarubezhnogo Vostoka: ocherki o turkmenakh Irana, Afganistana, Iraka, Sirii, Turtsii i Kitaia (1993; pod redaktsiei Kh. Ataeva) Ata Dzhikiev (1961) - Turkmeny iugo-vostochnogo poberezhia Kaspiiskogo moria: istoriko-?tnograficheskii ocherk

Khommat Ataev (1970) - Osvoboditel’noe dvizhenie turkmen v Irane (1917-1925 gg.)

William Irons (1975) - The Yomut Turkmen: A Study of Social Organisation among a Central Asian Turkic-Speaking Population

Bibi-Rabiga Logashova (1976) - Turkmeny Irana : istoriko-?tnograficheskoe issledovanie

Mukhammed Aidogdyev (1992) - Turkmeny Irana v 60-70-e gg. XX veka

Also:

Turkmeny mira: istoriko-demograficheskii obzor (1991; Marat Durdyev, Shokhrat Kadyrov)

Turkmeny zarubezhnogo Vostoka: ocherki o turkmenakh Irana, Afganistana, Iraka, Sirii, Turtsii i Kitaia (1993; pod redaktsiei Kh. Ataeva)

]]> By: Peter http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-250 Peter Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:30:21 +0000 http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-250 Those titles would be welcome. Those titles would be welcome.

]]> By: www.neweurasia.net - Blogging Central Asia and the Caucasus » Blog Archive » Turkmen Identity in Iran http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-248 www.neweurasia.net - Blogging Central Asia and the Caucasus » Blog Archive » Turkmen Identity in Iran Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:11:22 +0000 http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-248 [...] Peter posts about Turkmens in Northern Iran, where they form a minority about whom little hard data is available. Also, Turkmen blogger Karakum offers his take on the story. [...] […] Peter posts about Turkmens in Northern Iran, where they form a minority about whom little hard data is available. Also, Turkmen blogger Karakum offers his take on the story. […]

]]> By: karakum http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-245 karakum Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:12:06 +0000 http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/2006/03/28/111/#comment-245 Peter - I just posted my thoughts on this at http://neweurasia.net/?p=303#comments. To recap: I argue that the recent report is crap*, where asterisk stands for "well-timed". More on "the big picture" at http://karakum.blogspot.com/2006/03/blog-post_114280334583485563.html. Two comments on the issues you are raising here: 1) Turkmen population in Iran. Iranian censuses never report/record ethnicity due to official ideology, while our brethrens themselves, it seems, tend to inflate their numbers. When preparing the recent story on my blog, I estimated the number at 1.6-1.8m (1.2m in Golestan; 200-300 thous. in Khorasan; 150-200 thous. in Mazanderan; 50-100 thous. in the Greater Tehran and other provinces). At least 90% of these retain strong Turkmen identity and speak in the mother tongue. 2) Extensive research of the Turkmens in Iran was conducted in 1970-90s both in the West and in the Former SU. I will send you the titles (or post them here) if interested. I am surprised this guy Menges was not able to find Nokhurli and Goklen-dialect speakers, there are scores of them living in the North-Eastern corner of Turkmensahra/Golestan. * For the purposes of full disclosure: I visited Turkmensahra several times. Peter - I just posted my thoughts on this at http://neweurasia.net/?p=303#comments. To recap: I argue that the recent report is crap*, where asterisk stands for “well-timed”. More on “the big picture” at http://karakum.blogspot.com/2006/03/blog-post_114280334583485563.html. Two comments on the issues you are raising here:

1) Turkmen population in Iran. Iranian censuses never report/record ethnicity due to official ideology, while our brethrens themselves, it seems, tend to inflate their numbers. When preparing the recent story on my blog, I estimated the number at 1.6-1.8m (1.2m in Golestan; 200-300 thous. in Khorasan; 150-200 thous. in Mazanderan; 50-100 thous. in the Greater Tehran and other provinces). At least 90% of these retain strong Turkmen identity and speak in the mother tongue.

2) Extensive research of the Turkmens in Iran was conducted in 1970-90s both in the West and in the Former SU. I will send you the titles (or post them here) if interested. I am surprised this guy Menges was not able to find Nokhurli and Goklen-dialect speakers, there are scores of them living in the North-Eastern corner of Turkmensahra/Golestan.

* For the purposes of full disclosure: I visited Turkmensahra several times.

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